Inshore netters

Cod quota for under 10m licensed boats 20 box a month about 50k a box that is about 2 ton a month. Quota is not transferable as far as I know for the under 10s. Pot bait is another story but you still have to have quota. Thank that wonderful Common fisheries policy just about most of our regulation is from Europe now and if you saw the 40 something Greek woman in charge of the CFU you would laugh or cry.
YouTube - Maria Damanaki at EU confirmation hearings

Les
 
Sorry to bring this back up again but thought I would post a reply from I have just recieved.
"your queries has been passed to me, there are set rules about using fixed engines (Gill nets) from the shore.
Only during the period of 26th Marc to 31st October, no fixed engine except for a T-net licence by the North sea fisheries commission can be fished in water less than 7m deep at all sates of the tide. with a minimum of 4m of water above the header line at all times. All nets have to be marked and or licensed, and any vessel used to set them correctly licensed to fish using the said method. These regulations will be subject to change when the new Marine Management Organisation takes over from the NFC in April, unfortunately, I think they will only become stricter.

I hope this is not to complicated for you to understand, if you have any other queries, please contact me and I'll be happy to answer what I can. If you have concerns over the conduct or use of fixed nets on the beach, I would be very interested to hear your concerns.

Regards,

Arthur
Arthur Cranson.
South East Northumberland Coastal Warden
Tel: 01670 797323 Mobile: 07932440838
Northumberland made the following annotations"
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Sorry to bring this back up again but thought I would post a reply from I have just recieved.
"your queries has been passed to me, there are set rules about using fixed engines (Gill nets) from the shore.
Only during the period of 26th Marc to 31st October, no fixed engine except for a T-net licence by the North sea fisheries commission can be fished in water less than 7m deep at all sates of the tide. with a minimum of 4m of water above the header line at all times. All nets have to be marked and or licensed, and any vessel used to set them correctly licensed to fish using the said method. These regulations will be subject to change when the new Marine Management Organisation takes over from the NFC in April, unfortunately, I think they will only become stricter.

I hope this is not to complicated for you to understand, if you have any other queries, please contact me and I'll be happy to answer what I can. If you have concerns over the conduct or use of fixed nets on the beach, I would be very interested to hear your concerns.

Regards,

Arthur
Arthur Cranson.
South East Northumberland Coastal Warden
Tel: 01670 797323 Mobile: 07932440838
Northumberland made the following annotations"
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Interesting to note that he states 'unfortunately', reagrding the rules becoming stricter
 
" These regulations will be subject to change when the new Marine Management Organisation takes over from the NFC in April, unfortunately, I think they will only become stricter. ".


I guess that will mean more work for him,



Phil
 
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Wild Bass For Sale

Wild Bass For Sale

I've seen wild bass for sale in three shops this week - including Morrisons, so I guess they are getting some from somewhere. One of the local shop told me thet were landing them at North Shields. All were in the 1 and a half lb - 3lb range so not much chance for a long term future of good bass fishing around here.

Many of the good bass fisheries down south have been wiped out... guess we never learn
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ya get this topic every year soon as the fishing goes quiet the shore anglers point the finger at boats and netters they carnt be getting every fish swimming in the sea and must be thousands close in or its that time a year when they have stayed miles off feeding on easy feed well thats my opinion anyways

ya can only catch whats infront of ya and that isnt much this time of year
 
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does seem to pop up this time every year, come december though situation normal, well as normal as it can be given the state of things

its very possible that in a couple of years you'll be begging for the british boats to come back:

Originally posted in www.fishnewseu.com
SPANISH fishermen could end up in control of the North Sea under new rules being thrashed out in Brussels.

This is the warning from Scots Euro MP Struan Stevenson ahead of the imminent reform of the Common Fisheries Policy.

Mr Stevenson, senior vice president of the European Parliament Fisheries Committee, fears the reform will drive through amendments that will transfer traditional Scottish fishing rights to foreign ownership.

He believes that 139 proposed amendments to the CFP Green Paper to be voted through in a special plenary session in Brussels tomorrow (February 24) will open the door to a takeover by wealthy foreign fishing concerns.

One amendment specifically states that “access to fish stocks should no longer be based solely on the criterion of historical catches.”

Mr Stevenson said: “I believe that this is a potentially explosive alteration to the current rules which allocates fishing rights based on historical track records, providing evidence that generations of Scottish fishermen have fished in a particular area.

“If this rule is changed, Spanish fishermen could argue that they have equal access rights to our traditional fishing grounds in the North Sea and West of Scotland.”

Another amendment calls on the European Commission to look at the adoption of new fisheries management models including “the use of transferable fishing rights.”

Mr Stevenson said: “If a system of individual transferable quotas (ITQ’s) is introduced, we can expect the same situation to occur that we witnessed in Iceland where a handful of wealthy fishing companies quickly seized control of all of the available whitefish quotas, forcing many small fishing companies out of business.

“Once again I fear that the combination of new access rules, together with ITQ’s, will simply enable wealthy Spanish fishing concerns to buy up most of our Scottish whitefish quotas, leaving the Spanish fleet in control of the North Sea.

“The impact on our fishermen would be disastrous. But it is not only the fishermen who would lose out. Our ports and harbours would suffer as a consequence, particularly if the Spanish vessels decided to land their catch back in Galicia rather than in Peterhead or Fraserburgh, which is highly likely.

“While I am all for reforming the CFP, which has been a catastrophe for our fishing sector since its inception, I am determined to ensure that we don’t open the door to a bargain basement sale of Scotland’s fishing heritage.

“I will be putting down a series of amendments which seek to protect our industry and I will be looking to get the majority of MEPs to support me in the votes.”
 
if that was true, when the conditions where right for bass fishing anglers would be getting quite a few, not just the odd one or two a season. And don't come back and say the netters got them all. Getting rid of inshore netters, etc I believe would only be a short term fix, maybe three to five years before catches started dropping off, the main problem lies well out to sea in breeding grounds and where tons of fish are being dumped being replaced by bigger fish caught later. Something has got to be done at the source of the problem, then we can start sorting out management of the fringes.

it is not just the breeding grounds that is the problem for a few years now i have seen while offshore the sand eel boats just sucking up all the bait fish they want. these are at the bottom of the food chain and are a life line for fish and birds alike.
 
Sorry to bring this back up again but thought I would post a reply from I have just recieved.
no fixed engine except for a T-net licence by the North sea fisheries commission can be fished in water less than 7m deep at all sates of the tide.

Blyth Bay is in the main only 6m deep or at least that's what my sounder showed up.
 
it is not just the breeding grounds that is the problem for a few years now i have seen while offshore the sand eel boats just sucking up all the bait fish they want. these are at the bottom of the food chain and are a life line for fish and birds alike.

there's probably more in that for the declining fish stocks than there is from overfishing

what is it? 7kg of fishmeal to produce 1Kg of farmed salmon or something?

over 1 millions of the little fellas have been landed from the north sea every year for years. stands to reason less scran for the big fish = less big fish

using em as fish meal for fish farms is bad enough but a huge amount ends up as fertilizer??? :confused::confused::confused:
 
ya get this topic every year soon as the fishing goes quiet the shore anglers point the finger at boats and netters they carnt be getting every fish swimming in the sea and must be thousands close in or its that time a year when they have stayed miles off feeding on easy feed well thats my opinion anyways

ya can only catch whats infront of ya and that isnt much this time of year


You hit the nail on the heed there Coddy.
People always blaim the boats when they are catching nowt.
They also forget where the fish came from when they buy one from the chippie or eat frozen fish from Birdseye and the like.These fishermen are there to make a living,sometimes in very dangerous conditions.
Anglers seem to think that all the fish should be left just for them.

As for Gill nets,its a proven fact that they do a lot less damage to fish stocks and other marine species than a trawl.
 
You hit the nail on the heed there Coddy.
People always blaim the boats when they are catching nowt.
They also forget where the fish came from when they buy one from the chippie or eat frozen fish from Birdseye and the like.These fishermen are there to make a living,sometimes in very dangerous conditions.
Anglers seem to think that all the fish should be left just for them.

As for Gill nets,its a proven fact that they do a lot less damage to fish stocks and other marine species than a trawl.

On that point I can take the moral high ground as my chippy only uses line caught cod and haddock from Norway.
I very rarely eat frozen fish, as it doesn't compare to fresh caught fish, that I have caught myself, and if the public took the same attitude, then there would not be the demand for the intensive fishing that is the current cause of the problem.
If there were no trawlers then there would be no need for a policy on discards, as they are totally indescriminate, but to say that gill nets do not cause as much damage is not entirely true.
Look at the amount of seabirds that are killed every year across Filey Bay, and as is stated elsewhere in this thread that often these nets get washed away and continue to kill fish and other marine life unitnentionally.

Oh and they also use Sandeels in their powerstations in Denmark, just to annoy anglers even more!
 
Is it not that when some good fish are getting caught by line, the netters see where from by looking at forums etc like this then off they go to take over?. I don't know, are the nets out at the same place on the same months every year?
 
ya get this topic every year soon as the fishing goes quiet the shore anglers point the finger at boats and netters they carnt be getting every fish swimming in the sea and must be thousands close in or its that time a year when they have stayed miles off feeding on easy feed well thats my opinion anyways

ya can only catch whats infront of ya and that isnt much this time of year

Yes your right codseeker this topic does arise the same time almost every year, thats because thats when the gill netters know they are going to get good catches.

And as for those who claim gill nets do not cause damage then as far as i am concerned thats a load of bull, they do cause damage.

Picking up on the quotas, the legal netters give you catch quota's NOT the B******s who are selling to the black market etc,.
 
Is it not that when some good fish are getting caught by line, the netters see where from by looking at forums etc like this then off they go to take over?. I don't know, are the nets out at the same place on the same months every year?

inshore netters don't need to look at forums, their knowledge of where the fish are has been handed down through the family for years, they know where the fish will be at given times and after rough weather. They know that during rough weather fish come inshore, and as soon as it settles they set their nets, if they did not have this knowledge they would all starve.
 
i laugh every time these threads arise, some good points, but more are uneducated views.
Im just going to start and copy paste my responses from the last 7 years on this subject.
All i have caught this year is 1 scabby bleg, but i dont whinge on about how the gill netters have raped my enjoyment of the sport, i better not say where i caught the bleg otherwise it will be trawled, gill netted, potted and longlined as we all know the commercial need forums so they know where to shoot there nets because many years of experience are just not enough.
 
Thanks Mr Charlton for filling me in on that 1.
So can anybody do this or do u need some sort of license or such?, none of this bothers me anyway as i fish mainly in the river but what i have read it seems there are many well p'd off about it, i do laugh though when i see the "this gets brought up every year when nowt is getting caught". , i wouldn't know this but it will be something to look forward to the same time next yr:D
 
allthough the guys who are licienced do cause us to complain its the unlienced nets that cause the damage in my opinion, having seen many good bass marks on the welsh coast devastated by nets, the worst occasion a few of us took a fair trek then down a cliff face path to one of our hidden but very productive marks, we passed a group who once past us shouted dont waste your time lads we have netted the place and carried on away laughing, as we were so close to the mark we carried on, two long nets could be seen one off each side of the rock arms to the sides of the small bay, it was worth the swim to gather the nets, then burn the lot :mad:
 
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