YoursTruly
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Thats pretty much the same with rod whippings
snapped sonik rod
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thewestwind
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There's always going to be a badun slips through to the consumer. Whichever way you look it's not a great start for a new range of rods.
the facts of the case, firstly the lad didnt even know it had been put on the web that his rod snapped. Secondly the lad admits he was pendulum casting from a pier and he says he probably bashed it off the back wall, even still the top end was replaced by Sonik free of charge and he is over the moon.
The Great Wallsendo
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This thread's been repeated across a lot of forums and it basically boils down to half truths and chinese whispers as is often the case with occurrences such as these
99% of the reason rods snap will be manual error and a small percentage will be a bad un IMHO
99% of the reason rods snap will be manual error and a small percentage will be a bad un IMHO
mark
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oh oh! "he doth protest too much I fear"
of course its absolute tosh until unless you have had 4 of the exact same LOCAL rods (from the cheng-du province of northumberland
) snap in the same place seems a reasoned debate to me as to what might be the causes behind it,
and it stands to reason that different 'branded' rods made in the same place might (or might not) suffer the same problem.
maybe they've resolved the issue, maybe they haven't, like I said, I don't know the answer thats an un-biased (try looking un-biased up) statement BTW
I've got to say, I think it's actually loads cheaper getting a basic kit together these days than it ever was when I was a kid. You can still get your fancy bespoke blanks hand-rolled between the thighs of Northumberland virgins if that's what you're after, but you can also get cheap as chips kids' starter rods from the likes of Shakespeare – £11 for a 9' pier IN2 rod! – for not much more than the cost of a few bags of crisps and a bottle of pop! (And probably less than a lot of blokes spend on bait for a decent session.)
I'm not sure that when I was kid 30-odd years ago, it was possible to buy a rod for eleven quid. It certainly wasn't possible to buy a rod for that money that wouldn't give you a hernia if you had to hold it for more than 10 minutes! At £100-plus though, I wouldn't have thought that Sonik are expecting to be many kids' first rods.
Very well put. The difficulty, as I see it, is 'two sides' untangling their loyalty to friends who have a vested interest in the company, and those people with second-hand or non-personal experiences of the rod in question snapping discussing 'opinions' as scientifically moderated facts. Alan makes a very salient point: the rod may well have been terminally damaged during the cast when he hit the pier. Even Zziplex and TTRs are not designed to cut through concrete like a Ron Thompson through butter. If I had a sample test data of 1000 casted Sonik rods, 7 of which, say, snapped in the same essential area (e.g. between 2nd & 3rd ring) we can posit a vast range of hypotheses to account for this: (1) bad ''batch''? (whatever this means...sophisticated machinery is less-prone to a bad day then, say, an egg-laying chicken) (2) Simple chance?...yes...why not. Poor casting style may lead to stochastic failure for sure. I've seen top-of-the-range CF rods undergo failure in the hands of persons with questionable casting style (3) Inbuilt flaw of the range in general i.e. in other words, mass produced in China? A rather boring explanation. Just because they are cheaper to manufacture there doesn't mean to say they should inherently prone to snapping. We should try and exercise caution before launching into grand explanations. More than anything it would be interesting to hear the original account of the damage. Certainly, implicit charges of inherent poor rod design etc are misplaced at this point in time. The product range has only just be launched!
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The Great Wallsendo
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Nice answer (took me a couple of reads to get through it
) - Mr Morton Welcome to NESA BTW
Welcome back to the fold Paul (Matchman)
) - Mr Morton Welcome to NESA BTWWelcome back to the fold Paul (Matchman)
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Charlie_Thompson
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Their fly gear is under the microscope at the minute mainly due to pricing and undercutting themselves on e-bay. A lot of people are making negative comments without trying the gear, mainly based on the made in China arguments. People who have had a go seem to rate them. It's a tough market out there with a lot of brand loyalty. I hope the gear turns out to be good and they do well. Crap name though :red:
Indeed. You make an interesting point on the pricing issue in general. I have noted a similar observation with Greys. I note that Gerry's are selling the Apollo MIIs for £120/130 for the 13 & 14ft model respectively. Yet Frasers and others have been forced to boost the price of the Apollo to c. £270. It seems that some dealers are bearing the brunt of regional marketing decisions and having to try and live with them. A tough predicament. The China argument is a normal response to change. Ideally we'd all love to have our rods ''moulded between virgins thighs" as a previous poster very humerously put - and on Whitley Bay beach if possible - but we can't - the price of UK oil and gas being too much to keep them warm. So China will have to do.
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mark
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couldn't give 2 chuffs wether something is made in china, guatemala or watford (political/humanitarian unpleasantness aside for mo')
as long as it is fit for purpose and not sold as being something its not
If someone has a bad experience lets hear about it, if they have a good one equally so
And dream on about trying to find a virgin in whitely bay, and if you did they'd probably have thighs that rubbed together so much when they waddled they produc sparks when it was dark
as long as it is fit for purpose and not sold as being something its not
If someone has a bad experience lets hear about it, if they have a good one equally so
And dream on about trying to find a virgin in whitely bay, and if you did they'd probably have thighs that rubbed together so much when they waddled they produc sparks when it was dark
The lad 'apparently' whacked the pier with the rod whilst in the throws of a pendulum cast. Christ, you can't blame the manufacturer for a rod going pop under those circumstances.
Anyone want to put to test a Century, Zziplex, Conoflex or any other make of rod to see if they would hold together given the same abuse.
I think the bounce off the pier might just be the deciding factor.
Anyone want to put to test a Century, Zziplex, Conoflex or any other make of rod to see if they would hold together given the same abuse.
I think the bounce off the pier might just be the deciding factor.
Charlie_Thompson
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Some rods do "seem" to have a high snappage rate, maybe not relevant but Hardys reputation is quickly sliding down the pan -a zillion quid for a £5 blank which breaks when you shout at it - and customer service on a par with tiscali broadband. Hardy - Greys - Sonik yer man on the street can't help being cautious
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