the witch is dead

kayos said:
Time for me to leave this thread before I get upset!

Don't get too personal guys please. The camaraderie on here is what sets us apart and above other sites.

Long may that continue :)
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100% agree, maggie caused this split between the torries and the normal man!!
 
I'm enjoying all the haters immensely. the miners strike - scargill was as bad as she was and did as much damage to the mining industry, and lined his own pockets massively before during and after.

Mandele was a terrorist. Does everyone now think that Gerry Adams wasn't a terrorist? How else can you describe a man that leads and directs the armed wing of the ANC, murder people and bomb primary schools? It was he and his lovely wife Winnie that came up with the rather jolly idea of tying someone up and putting a tyre filled with petrol around their necks and lighting it. Short memories folks have when it suits them

she was a politician pure and simple - they are all the same, some are worse than others. Least she had balls and didn't give a toss what people thought about her. On the plus side she was instrumental in ending the cold war, ended the strangle hold of the unions which had killed the british economy in the 70's, and turned the country's finances around. Sadly she gave birth to tony blair, who finished the job off for her where industry and manufacturing are concerned and went on to to erode civil liberties more than anyone before or since.

She's dead so what, get over it. If the Haters had aimed just a small amount of the energy and vitriol they are now spewing at the blair/brown/mandellson holy trinity this country might not be the **** heap it is now

Smash the State!
 
Did she drop a monumental bollock by ignoring all the warnings given regarding attack on the Falkland Islands? Some say it was a personal strategy but I reckon more like incompetance.
 
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and when it comes to mothers... you should meet mine - the frailest little grey haired bigoted fascist you could ever want to meet!
 
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mark said:
I'm enjoying all the haters immensely. the miners strike - scargill was as bad as she was and did as much damage to the mining industry, and lined his own pockets massively before during and after.

Mandele was a terrorist. Does everyone now think that Gerry Adams wasn't a terrorist? How else can you describe a man that leads and directs the armed wing of the ANC, murder people and bomb primary schools? It was he and his lovely wife Winnie that came up with the rather jolly idea of tying someone up and putting a tyre filled with petrol around their necks and lighting it. Short memories folks have when it suits them

she was a politician pure and simple - they are all the same, some are worse than others. Least she had balls and didn't give a toss what people thought about her. On the plus side she was instrumental in ending the cold war, ended the strangle hold of the unions which had killed the british economy in the 70's, and turned the country's finances around. Sadly she gave birth to tony blair, who finished the job off for her where industry and manufacturing are concerned and went on to to erode civil liberties more than anyone before or since.

She's dead so what, get over it. If the Haters had aimed just a small amount of the energy and vitriol they are now spewing at the blair/brown/mandellson holy trinity this country might not be the **** heap it is now

Smash the State!
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Well said in my opinion.
 
mark said:
I'm enjoying all the haters immensely. the miners strike - scargill was as bad as she was and did as much damage to the mining industry, and lined his own pockets massively before during and after.

Mandele was a terrorist. Does everyone now think that Gerry Adams wasn't a terrorist? How else can you describe a man that leads and directs the armed wing of the ANC, murder people and bomb primary schools? It was he and his lovely wife Winnie that came up with the rather jolly idea of tying someone up and putting a tyre filled with petrol around their necks and lighting it. Short memories folks have when it suits them

she was a politician pure and simple - they are all the same, some are worse than others. Least she had balls and didn't give a toss what people thought about her. On the plus side she was instrumental in ending the cold war, ended the strangle hold of the unions which had killed the british economy in the 70's, and turned the country's finances around. Sadly she gave birth to tony blair, who finished the job off for her where industry and manufacturing are concerned and went on to to erode civil liberties more than anyone before or since.

She's dead so what, get over it. If the Haters had aimed just a small amount of the energy and vitriol they are now spewing at the blair/brown/mandellson holy trinity this country might not be the **** heap it is now

Smash the State!
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A wonderful deflection from the real issue that most people in this area have with Thatcher and that was the misery and unemployment that her policies caused to working people.
The country's finances! wtf does the country's finances matter to a redundant man whose job could have been saved by better government.
Thatcher and her policies took no account of the people that would be stuffed by them.
One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. I see Mandela as the latter.
 
fishingmark said:
Looks like she's given birth to another one by your previous post.
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perhaps you could expand on such erudite wisdom as to what makes me a bigoted fascist??

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Very nice reading your comments,would love to meet up one day fishing,you put them 2 tory b a s,sorry nesa members down imo,on the fun side of it why not try for the vacant seat down at s/s town hall,again loved your views on current situation.{x miner}.tight lines.
 
Yup I was wrong with that one and I apologise for saying you are a bigoted fascist. You did seem very proud of her though.
I was a bit hasty with that comment should have thought about the offence it could cause.
 
fishingmark said:
Yup I was wrong with that one and I apologise for saying you are a bigoted fascist. You did seem very proud of her though.
I was a bit hasty with that comment should have thought about the offence it could cause.
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good man!

for what its worth I couldn't give 2 hoots about her, or any other politician but I will accept the good bits from either side. blair was a disaster, but the good friday agreement & working tax credits wins him a few points back. Thatcher's 'Greed is good' policy towards the markets is far worse than anything she did regarding the miners IMHO

Mandelson I would happily meet in an alley on a dark night...

the miners had my support initially. I was 18 and at college in doncaster, the college, NCB HQ, Police HQ and courts are all in the same block. one road in one road out. picketed daily. for crossing that picket line to go to college I became a scab - for going to college FFS. in the following 6 months, I had bricks thrown at me on my motorbike, dogsh1t and bags of pi55 thrown at me, and was spat at on a daily basis - just for going to college, on 2 occasions on a night out in doncaster I was recognised and had 7 shades of **** kicked out of me for being a scab!

thats not thatcher, thats not scargill thats just ignorant thuggery
 
You can only honestly judge things from your own experience and we obviously had different experiences at the time. I still can't stand the woman, she did absolutely nothing for me, my friends and my town in general, in fact she made it worse.
Again sorry for any offence I may have caused you.
 
What a woman I read this today and every word is 100% truth, see what you make of this lot.

Tonight I shall go and have a drink for Margaret Thatcher's death. I shall raise my glass to the night sky, and THANK HER, and celebrate her life. People on this seem to have a very strange view of history. So here are a few little nuggets with how and more specifically WHY a lot of industries were destroyed by her, and what's more, ...destroyed with the MANDATE OF THE BRITISH PEOPLE. The seventies were blighted by the trade unions waiting for winter and then coming out on strike at it's heart. Holding the country to ransom for ANNUAL pay rises of up to 36% ABOVE inflation. This was the likes of Scargill and co. And they bled us dry. We were bankrupted by them. And then the Winter of Discontent happened. And they ALL came out. Miners, power workers, transport workers; even funeral directors, everything tied into the TGWU came out. My own grandparents lay on a slab for 2 months waiting to be buried. The entire country was a ruin. Rubbish not collected for months, rats everywhere. And the unions laughed, and brought down Callaghan's Labour Government. And Thatcher stood up at the General Election and made ONE SIMPLE PROMISE. Elect me. And THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN. ELECT ME AND I WILL DESTROY THEM. She won a landslide. On that promise.And she became the last elected Prime Minister to actually hold true to her election promise. She did exactly what she said. She utterly destroyed the unions. Obliterated them. The cost was those industries. We knew that would be the price. But we would not allow them to hold us to ransom again. What she did, she did with our BLESSING. The socialists and people who backed those strikes have only themselves to blame for what happened. Baroness Thatcher didn't destroy those industries and communities for fun or as part of a class war. She did it to stop them holding the country to ransom again. And then she held the purse strings tight and re-built the economy and the country and Britain again stood tall and thrived. And we won back the global respect we had lost while the left wing ruled. In the Falklands we were thankful for her being in office. Those of us who went 'south' in '82 did so knowing we had a leader who would not - and did not- interfere. She sent the military and allowed us to do our job. Gave us the money, the equipment and most of all THE FREEDOM to get the job done. Our lands had been invaded. We had a gun up our nose. SHE led us. Frankly Thatcher took a very broken Britain by the hand like a strict old fashioned Matron and LED THE COUNTRY BACK TO WHERE IT HAD ONCE BEEN. We were the worlds 3rd major power in ALL respects. And as for the world, it has NEVER been safer than when Thatcher was in Downing Street, Reagan was in the White House and Gorbachev was in the Kremlin as the three spoke DAILY. They laid the ground for the fall of the Berlin Wall. The Russians were TERRIFIED of her. And the world again feared Britain. And lets not forget that she gave people the full right to buy their own council property. Her vision was that the TENNANT and the tennant alone could buy that property.As soon as her party stabbed her in the back the feeding frenzy began as under her the famous Tory grandee greed was held in check. So they stabbed her, led by the europro traitor ponce Heseltine - who didn't have the guts to face her openly and alone - they arranged her removal. And we have been a broken patsy for europe ever since. So yes, tonight I will celebrate the death of Baroness Thatcher, with thanks, with respect, and with sadness, because she allowed me to know what we could be, what we could achieve, what it meant to be BRITISH

More here he he

Ironic joke doing the rounds a couiple of years after the end of the miners strike...."When the strike started, Scargill had a SMALL HOUSE and a LARGE UNION, at the end of the strike, Scargill had a LARGE HOUSE and a SMALL UNION"! he was the only person to profit from that

And another

i served my time in the coal mines as an apprentice mechanic and as such had to put up with the abuse of picket lines, people I worked with, (Apprentices were not allowed to strike and if you did you lost your job) the miners knew this but still made life HELL for us as we went in to the pit. These same union members were the first to ask an apprentice to turn a little job for them or weld up some item from their homes, (A homer) once they came back to work. Needless to say I told them what they could do with their homer. Margaret Thatcher sorted out these thick heads and good on her for doing what she did. The country was being systematically run down by over powerful unions and union bosses who thought they had the right to determine how the country was run, they ruled their members by tyranny and intimidation while drawing their fat cat salaries.


Just some of what people other than haters are actually saying about her death!
Rip Maggie
 
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regpude said:
Very nice reading your comments,would love to meet up one day fishing,you put them 2 tory b a s,sorry nesa members down imo,on the fun side of it why not try for the vacant seat down at s/s town hall,again loved your views on current situation.{x miner}.tight lines.
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Sorry Reg I'm too honest to be a politician.
And I do have a tendency to blurt. Even with a keyboard!
 
big_sean said:
What a woman I read this today and every word is 100% truth, see what you make of this lot.

Tonight I shall go and have a drink for Margaret Thatcher's death. I shall raise my glass to the night sky, and THANK HER, and celebrate her life. People on this seem to have a very strange view of history. So here are a few little nuggets with how and more specifically WHY a lot of industries were destroyed by her, and what's more, ...destroyed with the MANDATE OF THE BRITISH PEOPLE. The seventies were blighted by the trade unions waiting for winter and then coming out on strike at it's heart. Holding the country to ransom for ANNUAL pay rises of up to 36% ABOVE inflation. This was the likes of Scargill and co. And they bled us dry. We were bankrupted by them. And then the Winter of Discontent happened. And they ALL came out. Miners, power workers, transport workers; even funeral directors, everything tied into the TGWU came out. My own grandparents lay on a slab for 2 months waiting to be buried. The entire country was a ruin. Rubbish not collected for months, rats everywhere. And the unions laughed, and brought down Callaghan's Labour Government. And Thatcher stood up at the General Election and made ONE SIMPLE PROMISE. Elect me. And THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN. ELECT ME AND I WILL DESTROY THEM. She won a landslide. On that promise.And she became the last elected Prime Minister to actually hold true to her election promise. She did exactly what she said. She utterly destroyed the unions. Obliterated them. The cost was those industries. We knew that would be the price. But we would not allow them to hold us to ransom again. What she did, she did with our BLESSING. The socialists and people who backed those strikes have only themselves to blame for what happened. Baroness Thatcher didn't destroy those industries and communities for fun or as part of a class war. She did it to stop them holding the country to ransom again. And then she held the purse strings tight and re-built the economy and the country and Britain again stood tall and thrived. And we won back the global respect we had lost while the left wing ruled. In the Falklands we were thankful for her being in office. Those of us who went 'south' in '82 did so knowing we had a leader who would not - and did not- interfere. She sent the military and allowed us to do our job. Gave us the money, the equipment and most of all THE FREEDOM to get the job done. Our lands had been invaded. We had a gun up our nose. SHE led us. Frankly Thatcher took a very broken Britain by the hand like a strict old fashioned Matron and LED THE COUNTRY BACK TO WHERE IT HAD ONCE BEEN. We were the worlds 3rd major power in ALL respects. And as for the world, it has NEVER been safer than when Thatcher was in Downing Street, Reagan was in the White House and Gorbachev was in the Kremlin as the three spoke DAILY. They laid the ground for the fall of the Berlin Wall. The Russians were TERRIFIED of her. And the world again feared Britain. And lets not forget that she gave people the full right to buy their own council property. Her vision was that the TENNANT and the tennant alone could buy that property.As soon as her party stabbed her in the back the feeding frenzy began as under her the famous Tory grandee greed was held in check. So they stabbed her, led by the europro traitor ponce Heseltine - who didn't have the guts to face her openly and alone - they arranged her removal. And we have been a broken patsy for europe ever since. So yes, tonight I will celebrate the death of Baroness Thatcher, with thanks, with respect, and with sadness, because she allowed me to know what we could be, what we could achieve, what it meant to be BRITISH

Rip Maggie
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This wasn't commissioned by a multi millionaire newspaper owner was it?
Flag waving nonsense!
Should have Dambusters music playing in the background.
 
mark said:
I'm enjoying all the haters immensely. the miners strike - scargill was as bad as she was and did as much damage to the mining industry, and lined his own pockets massively before during and after.

Mandele was a terrorist. Does everyone now think that Gerry Adams wasn't a terrorist? How else can you describe a man that leads and directs the armed wing of the ANC, murder people and bomb primary schools? It was he and his lovely wife Winnie that came up with the rather jolly idea of tying someone up and putting a tyre filled with petrol around their necks and lighting it. Short memories folks have when it suits them

she was a politician pure and simple - they are all the same, some are worse than others. Least she had balls and didn't give a toss what people thought about her. On the plus side she was instrumental in ending the cold war, ended the strangle hold of the unions which had killed the british economy in the 70's, and turned the country's finances around. Sadly she gave birth to tony blair, who finished the job off for her where industry and manufacturing are concerned and went on to to erode civil liberties more than anyone before or since.

She's dead so what, get over it. If the Haters had aimed just a small amount of the energy and vitriol they are now spewing at the blair/brown/mandellson holy trinity this country might not be the **** heap it is now

Smash the State!
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Where do you source your facts...The Viz?
If Nelson Mandela was a terrorist,why has Cameron apologised for the ANC
being called a terrorist organisation? He was a lawyer,determined to help
bring about the end of a racist repressive regime.It was only after the
Sharpville massacre,that he realised that guerilla warfare was inevitable.
Yes some innocent people were killed,but the vast majority of acts,were
sabotage of government installations.
While the ANC were particularly active as a guerilla force,Mandela was
imprisoned on Robben island.
Regarding him and Winnie,the petrol and tyres,it isn't even worthy of a
response.Winnie was bad news,and was implicated in beatings and
murder,one of the reasons he parted with her company.
Regarding Arthur Scargill,yes he was a vociferous troublemaker for both
the government,and the NUM,and not everyone in the mining community
liked him,but he was often proven right,and the government tried every
which way,including phone tapping,to discredit him and hopefully have him
up on charges to blacken his name.He was said to have been using money
belonging to the NUM,for his own ends,yet i don't believe he has ever been
charged with any crime.Joe Gormley,was actually a spy for the government
so the miners were well and truly between a rock,and a hard place.
 
What I can never undersatamd is Mrs Thatcher gets blamed for the pit closures but actually the mines had almost halved before she came to power! But we follow scargill and we are thick and Thatcher shut all the pits she visited each one and locked the gates cause we are too thick to see what really was happening!



Coal mining continued to grow throughout the later nineteenth and early twentieth century. The nineteenth century development of coal mining in Durham, brought about a tremendous increase in the population of the North East, as many previously rural villages, grew into small colliery towns almost overnight. This was particularly the case in County Durham, where villages seemed to spring up from virtually nowhere at all. In 1787 there were around 7000 colliers employed in the coal mines of North East England and by 1810 this number had only increased to 10,000. Just over a hundred years later, in 1919, there were 223,000 coal miners working in the region and 154,000 of these were in the county of Durham. It reached a peak in County Durham in 1923 when 170,000 miners were employed in the industry.

One obvious question is where did all this labour come from? They of course came from all parts of England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland, though in the main they originated from the local region, from existing areas of the Northumberland and Durham coalfield, but also from the dales and rural areas of Northumberland and Durham. Many of course originated from the larger towns of the region and even non-mining towns like Darlington would have made a major contribution to the increasing coal workforce. Coal mining employment in County Durham would eventually reach a a peak in 1923, when 170,000 miners were employed.

The two world wars helped to boost the need for coal in industry, but in the later half of the twentieth century colliery closures began to increase. One major event in the history of the mines was the nationalisation of the industry in 1947, when the coal mines, previously under the management of private concerns were brought under the control of the government. By the time of Nationalization, the number of miners in County Durham, had fallen to 108,000 and there were 127 collieries. Nationalization was not enough to save many pits from closure as many mines were worked of their coal or sometimes controversially declared 'uneconomic'. In the two decades from 1950-1970 around a hundred North East coal mines were closed often with shattering consequences for small mining communities which relied on coal mining for work.


Next the shipbuilding again she got rid of the lot didnt she mmmmm well a simple look and it is clear to see that british shipbuilding was well in decline before the wars, but hey ho we used to fund the industry all she did was say stand on your own two feet

Sorry to upset and be blunt but facts are facts
 

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