So Shields Open Result

[rocketman]

permission was granted by the port of tyne authority to have the SOUTH SHIELDS & DISTRICT SEA ANGLING CLUB OPEN ON THE PIER that is why the insurance is valid or is this to hard for some people to understand CRANTED PERMISION

maybe so but as the gates were locked and anglers had to climb around the gates with the risk of serious injury, did the insurance cover them for that?????

 

[YoursTruly]

Roket man, the simple answer would be no it wouldnt if they hurt themselves climbing round the locked gate which should have been manned during the whole competition.
Why it was not i do not know.

The real issue is not the insurance but the disqualification, which i am sure will be addressed at the next club meeting.

regards
Terry

 

[codseeker]

sorry to say this but i blame THATCHER

 

[nrgjim]

fishing for luckys

fishing for luckys

Seems to be two threads running side by side with pretty much the same content, i have commented on the other thread and will cut and paste my comment on this thread.
Hope it makes sense.

Pasted from the other Shields Open Thread.

This post is now getting so repetative, the same anglers are going over the same points
ie, the gates being locked, anglers climbing round them, because they were locked it was not open to the public so must be out of bounds or words to that effect.

In defence for our club i have to say the committee did go to some lengths to get the pier open for fishing on the day of the open and should be commended for that not slated.

Some are making comments on the liability insurance, anyone fishing on the pier during the open would have been covered as the letter stated the Port of Tyne Authority had given there permission.

The real issue as far as i can see is the two gents in question did break the rules and they should have been disqualified by the letter of the law, however it seems they were redeemed by a high ranking official and told they could fish the open and would not be disqualified.

This next bit really hurts, but it has to be said: I think the club has made two fundamental mistakes.

1. First and foremost total lack of signage on the pier gates. ( A simple poster put on the gate explaining rules about crossing before officially opened by Port of Tyne Authority)

2. Making a Uturn on a decision made by a high ranking committee member.

Now as a club we must address the situation and i am sure we will, so could we please for now try and let matters settle.

regards
Terry Wood[/QUOT

well said terry l think we on the forum have had or say now let the ss club get on with the matter at hand and hope every thing is put right for next years open we the angler's are not perfect we all make mistakes . mistakes where made in the open lets hope this never happens again as terry has said alot of hard work go's into the open thankyou

 

[kingcod deano]

sorry to say this but i blame THATCHER

Pmsl I blame robson green and his extreme fishing

 

[steve ifa]

Seems to be two threads running side by side with pretty much the same content, i have commented on the other thread and will cut and paste my comment on this thread.
Hope it makes sense.

Pasted from the other Shields Open Thread.

This post is now getting so repetative, the same anglers are going over the same points
ie, the gates being locked, anglers climbing round them, because they were locked it was not open to the public so must be out of bounds or words to that effect.

In defence for our club i have to say the committee did go to some lengths to get the pier open for fishing on the day of the open and should be commended for that not slated.

Some are making comments on the liability insurance, anyone fishing on the pier during the open would have been covered as the letter stated the Port of Tyne Authority had given there permission.

The real issue as far as i can see is the two gents in question did break the rules and they should have been disqualified by the letter of the law, however it seems they were redeemed by a high ranking official and told they could fish the open and would not be disqualified.

This next bit really hurts, but it has to be said: I think the club has made two fundamental mistakes.

1. First and foremost total lack of signage on the pier gates. ( A simple poster put on the gate explaining rules about crossing before officially opened by Port of Tyne Authority)

2. Making a Uturn on a decision made by a high ranking committee member.

Now as a club we must address the situation and i am sure we will, so could we please for now try and let matters settle.

regards
Terry Wood

well said Terry, i think it is about time these threads were locked ? and let your club sort things out .

 

[codonly]

permission was granted by the port of tyne authority to have the SOUTH SHIELDS & DISTRICT SEA ANGLING CLUB OPEN ON THE PIER that is why the insurance is valid or is this to hard for some people to understand CRANTED PERMISION

Joe.the issue isnt about insurance or someone getting his kicks out of this debacle.
The point is, two members of the ssadsac committee told the anglers concerned they were ok to fish the open even after they offered to walk off to the gates and walk back on.

 

[jimmy]

Pmsl I blame robson green and his extreme fishing

oi lad, he is a geordie, leave him alone, just cos he gets a bit carried away, scared of sharks, swears a lot, what more do ya want from someone who admits he is just a poncey actor

 

[col]

Joe.the issue isnt about insurance or someone getting his kicks out of this debacle.
The point is, two members of the ssadsac committee told the anglers concerned they were ok to fish the open even after they offered to walk off to the gates and walk back on.

after reading thru every reply to both posts,this is the only point that actually stands out for me.well this and the fact that the letter that has been pasted from the port of tyne wasnt actually in many tackle shops at all,so not everyone actually knew about not being allowed on there before 8am.
anyhow,if the lads in question,actually offered to walk back off the pier,and were told they didnt need too,by a club representative........then surely to god,this isnt there fault at all? and based on this,the committee have actually came to the wrong decision,
How much of the so called decision,was based on the numbers of complaints theyd recieve,had they voted the other way?

 

[flynnt]

aye rite o mate(going give the bloke a pat on the back and say just forget it) 1k just before xmas

 

[codseeker]

honestly i wud of been really upset been told i wasnt the winner (and been disqualified ) with such a nice fish and the money would of helped along way but i dont think this can be changed by any comment on any forum whats done has been done now so we have to get on with it but the lad knows himself he won on the day

 

[codonly]

this is going on now,i think just a simple apology would settle this ,prizes have been given out this aint gonna help the lad now.just a matter pride ,i think he would be happy with that just now and not have people talking behind his back as no doubt he will be feeling as thou they are.

your obviously missing the point.TWO COMMITTEE MEN TOLD THE ANGLERS THEY WERE OK TO STAY ON THE PIER AND FISH THE OPEN WITHOUT BEING DISQUALIFIED.
do you now see that its not about the money but the guy wants his name on the trophy.
who's got to apologise b t w

 

[YoursTruly]

There are a number of club members like myself who are embarressed at how the situation has been dealt with and you can be sure we will do our level best to put things right.
I did not want to make any comments on forums however i feel the angling public out there needed to know just what has gone wrong.
The two lads in question did break the rules and they have admitted to doing so, if thats all that happened then they would have quite rightly been disqualified and they accept that.
Certain decisions made at committee level before the start of the competition changed the whole situation and needs to be addressed.
This matter will be addresed at the next meeting.
For legal reasons you must understand not everything can be put on forums and i hope the members of this forum understand.

With regard to the comments made by members on this forum i think everything that could be said has been said, all that remains now is to get on with sorting out whats gone wrong.

It may be a good idea for the mods to lock the thread unless someone has anything to say that we havent heard already.
regards
Terry

 

[lambtonworm]

well said Terry,i dont believe anything can be added,now it a case of awaiting the outcome of the next meeting and believe now is the time to lock this thread.

 

[codseeker]

believe now is the time to lock this thread.

aye ya not getting the last word kidda

 

[codman56]

If 2 club committee members 1 I have read was a senior one did tell this guy he was able to fish the open and he wouldn’t be disqualified this now is the only point that needs to be considered now .it will would be the honorable thing to give him the prize as well I know it would be quite a hit for the club but it appears to me now that the club has gone back on there original decision

 

[m00nraker]

I think the essence of why people don't agree with the decision is that the lad wasn't trying to cheat and when questioned was fully prepared to comply and walk off the pier allowing him to enter with the other anglers which would have nipped this whole thing in the bud.

After all, what the bloke does in his own time prior to the matches commencement (i.e fish the pier) is entirely his own business whether he is allowed on the pier or not. He had already filleted a fish he had caught, presumably to prevent anyone claiming he was cheating.

Judging by this boards reactions and those on WSF I would say the general consensus is that the disqualification was unfair, not everyone thinks so but definitely the majority.

I think the least the club could do is accept some sort of blame and offer him an apology, unfortunately I just cannot see them giving him some prize money.

 

[Daz]

I think the problem is if the club does accept responsibility then legally this will leave them open to a challenge for the money.

For what it's worth I think the club are in a precarious position legally anyway without admitting any liability.

 

[flynnt]

its quite obvious he is'nt going to get the 1k as all prizes have been given out.can't see anyone taking a grand out of there own pocket to give him can you.i think if given the apology he can hold his head up,and say well i know i won.instead of people looking at him and thinking he cheated.

how can he be called a CHEAT when he was told

"he can fish without walking off the pier"


at the end of the day mate if the commitee actually have a meeting see where there went wrong see wot there can do blah blah blah let the guy no wot the outcum is going to be then i think this will end it all.big mistakes have been made the commitee are only human so let them try and mend it......and we all can be happy fishing for the big cod

 

[nrgjim]

shields pier the open what a farse

shields pier the open what a farse

what im about to say is only hear say last year.s open the person who got kev and mick disqualified was fishing when he pulled in micks snap off it had a fish on mick told him he could not wiegh it in as he did not catch it it was not on his trace this guy told mick were to go but as he went to wiegh it in mick reported the matter and he was disqualified so as he new kev and mick where on the pier for 6am he reported the matter to a club member and said he wanted them disqualified for being on the pier befor the gates where opened so a club member rang a member of the comittee who then replyed let them stay on and cut the tails off the fish so they could not wiegh them in kev and mick even offed to walk off and come back on agian but where told it was ok if the this guy or one of his mate's is reading this would he or his mate's give his side of the story and then we can call an end to this thread l say agian it is hear say no dowt we will get an update in the futre from the club so l say lets leave it at that you all know what went on the club has made it clear how they stand lets wait and see what become's of the out come at the next club meeting thanks jim