Dedicated or mad

[BriH]

Sless Emailed a picture of the mull ,we have both fished it and THATS a scary climb(no rope either Lol ) but if i hnew what it was like i might have stopped at Whithorn but hey all to our own didnt see a problem to be honest alan ,but thats away to the match to see if Mr Souness gets a right load of sh*t or a warm welcome from the fans

 

[Stores]

A lot of the marks around Eyemouth are similar to the one posted. Highlighting them does not, in my opinion, attract others to fish them. It makes them aware of the demands of the mark and then it is up to the individual to decide whether such a mark is within their capability. The real problem, again in my opinion, is that we have removed risk taking away from our daily routine (via our wonderfully all encompassing risk assessments, so people are no longer aware of what their capabilities are, especially the youth of today.

 

[sless]

well said david

 

[tala]

Could not agree more David.
sless check your pm\'s mate I think I have sent the picture to you.


A preview facility of your pm\'s would be nice, cannot have it all I suppose.

 

[tala]

Just recieved your pm Graham, Respect goes out to a proper shore angler.
You went the way I go now mate(round the bottom), far to old to get up and down there more than once a month (takes my legs that long to recover).
Still do it when i cannot be @ssed to walk round tho

 

[sless]

if your confident why not
i havent been down it because i dont know exactly where it is
mind you it is a bit of a hike walking round

 

[tala]

The only benefit from climbing down is that you can fish the tide nearly all the way through its cycle, (more fishing time) but if you hit it right you can bag up in a couple of hours.
This year there have been over 10 doubles pulled out of boiler hole, the biggest was caught by JUSTIN LIDDLE just before x-mas

just over 18lb

 

[DaveMason]

Just my two pennies worth like , well said Sless and dave . Not very nice to call fellow anglers Stupid or dickheads either like imho . We could all work 6 days a week and nip to Asda on sundays and maybe everyone would be happy eh

 

[Charlton]

It always seems that the persnon who has the accidents when angling have been fishing for many years and know the area well. Could this be through complacency, it only takes a vital second to loose concentration, a bird squealing a kid shouting when playing or just letting your mind drift as you think of the lunkers you are risking your neck for. \"Thats all i have to say on that\" Quoting Forest Gump

 

[ray]

tala its not somewhere i would fish but how a picture of a well highlighted fishing mark can be deemed offensive is beyond me if people want to fish there its up to them your picture showed the way down so its up to the individual wether to fish it or not taking the picture down is censorship gone mad id love to no who it offended or if the moderator just didnt like the look of the mark and decided nobody else should fish it.

 

[sless]

i hope nesa isnt going politicaly correct

 

[tala]

I removed it myself, for the simple reason that one or two of the lads on here brought to my attention that it may have had the effect of tempting a not so confident angler to have a go at climbing down.( I thought it would have had the opposite effect).

Also I was a touch peeved that the wasting of emergency services time and money were dragged into a harmless thread.

Some people are obviously quite content to sit in their little beach buddy and watch the waves creep in :casstet: and critisize people who are a little bit more daring in their persuit of this sport (recreation), me myself think that getting to places like Boulby, Sheepstones and old crumbly is all part of the whole enjoyable experience.

Let the safe anglers go to the beach or the pier, not I m8, rock,gully and cliff marks are my bag.

Still everyone to thier own.

 

[bribones]

ok lads lets nip this one in the bud eh ,i can see both points of view but lets not drag it out ,stupidity ?we all suffer from it at one time or another ,take risks we shouldnt ,but lets not encourage people with the promise of big fish ,tala i read the write up on the link you posted and it says the vertical cliffs offer no escape! ,a warning to be headed dont you think ?as for alan calling anglers dickheads ,anyone who fishes a mark thats unknown to them and is potentialy dangerouse !well id say dickhead is apt if not a little OTT but then again just cos hes a moderator doesnt mean he cant have an opinion,heaven forbid hell be wanting to draw breath next how dare he,welcome to the world of mediation alan lol sooner you than me lets not turn this one into a row eh lads

 

[willywetegg]

Well said bribones.

Jim.

 

[Stores]

Lets continue the discussion without the animosity or name calling that can and has been generated. I think this is really important. We are creating a society that is cocooned from knowing what is and what is not an acceptable risk. I have spent my life in education taking groups walking in Snowdonia and the Cairngorms, skiing in Italy, France and Austria and, of all places, windsurfing in Palma Nova on Majorca. Each brings with it its own risk and you do your best to identify and counter the risk. Related to fishing that often means knowing when its safe to get on a mark and how long to stay on it as the tide floods. Good anglers know these things from experience - they have seen the same scenario time and time before and just know. They read the sea, relate it to past experiences and make, usually the right decisions.
I shared a conversation with Alan Charlton immediately after the Tsunami comp. There were a total of 15 people fishing in the north corner of Tynemouth beach. 4 were fishing in the Slatey (Bob Lydon being one) although one was casting into the Bottom of the Stairs and tangling others\' lines. Of the other 11 (apart from me and Rod) no-one was fishing in the hole as the hole no longer corresponds to the line given by the set of steps the hole gained its name by.
Why could anglers not see this ? The hole in the corner was ideal and 2 fish came out of it in 10 minutes of the comp starting. The fact is that we have a hardcore of anglers who cannot read the beach, cannot adapt to the conditions they find themselves in and, as a result, cannot make decisions regarding getting onto marks or up and down cliffs.
This summer Rod the Cod has admitted he has had enough of getting up and down the cliffs at Fast Castle Head. He\'s 60 this year, still fit but the descent more than the haul back up is getting too much. Such a decision is based on years of trying to negotiate these cliffs and the decision is a sensible one. Unfortunately some anglers only realise they can\'t get up or down a mark when it\'s too late. These people simply need to be educated, perhaps by the likes of us, so that they know the dangers inherent in any specific spot.
One way is to post reports and photos pointing out the virtues of the marks but also the dangers they pose. Such an approach, I believe will move angling forward.

[Edited on 30/1/2005 by Stores]

[Edited on 30/1/2005 by Stores]

 

[willywetegg]

Well put David you will get no arguements from me, great post.
Looking forward to reading that book of your\'s when it is finished.

Jim.

 

[tala]

I decided to put the picture back up, now if a moderator decides to remove it, thats fine.
This is to show Bri that the write up on photorecce was concerning Cowbar and the way round to Boiler hole, and yes there is no escape if you get trapped between the two.
Boulby itself as you can see in the picture has a obvious escape route (up the ropes), but you very rarely need to climb up, if you look carefully you can see that even at high water there is a grass platform to stand on, you are not only safe on there, you can carry on fishing if it takes your fancy.
This thread was meant to be a bit of harmless information, I appologise now, if that is not how it turned out. I am not in the market of upsetting people and causing rows.
This is my parting shot, I will keep pictures of fishing marks to myself in future, no hard feelings lads

[Edited on 30/1/2005 by tala]

 

[alan]

well said tala
could you email me the picture
thanks
alan just cos your a moderator
does it give you the right to call anglers dickheads
for fishing that area

what marks do you fish

If you read the post correctly Graham I was having a dig at Tala (no offence Tala) Where he reffered to Di\'kheads.
Quote.
RNLI cash is never wasted, even to help rescue those dickheads that ignore waning signs and storm gates ect: and find themselves in trouble.
Quote
As I said I dont know the mark and my comment was based on Tala\'s discription

Graham = The Mull but i would\'nt recommend it,its a bit dangerous :exclam:

[Edited on 30/1/2005 by alan.f]

 

[alan]

Just clear things up my posts were based on the Title of the topic and the picture provided.Tala if your pictures have been moved or deleted it was\'nt me lol.
Shame when a decent thread off someone turns like that,reminds me of another one !


People should read the posts carefully before posting a comment,maybe it was the way I put it,sorry like



[Edited on 30/1/2005 by alan.f]

 

[alan]

Tala no need to appologise m8 I was\'nt offended I just made a comment.
Tala check your pm

[Edited on 30/1/2005 by alan.f]